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Thats where I was hoping tulpamancy might help, since you guys seem to be able to train up a lot of diverse skills.

That's just not how our experience is. My tulpas only become aware of what's happened (instantly) retroactively once they're active again, if they weren't there for things at the time.

@Reisen - jump that's alot like how we function, the one not fronting can block out what's going on, but once they come back to front they get caught up.

Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

Thats where I was hoping tulpamancy might help, since you guys seem to be able to train up a lot of diverse skills.

I think the difference in system dynamics is usually established early on, and the tulpa community tends to instill certain beliefs/ideas about how the experience will be that causes them to be like that. Changing dynamics in an established system would technically be the same thing, but of course it doesn't sound as easy anymore

8:21 AM

"Starting over is harder than starting up" -~~Bennett Foddy~~

We started out here, so I don't see why our experience is so different unless it's something we can't control inherently.

8:23 AM

It's always been like this, I think.

Thats where I was hoping tulpamancy might help, since you guys seem to be able to train up a lot of diverse skills.

@Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ - jump as for training that.. the way it kinda feels for me at least is like switching further than a normal switch, since for me it feels like peeling off the body like a bandaid, it's just another layer to peel off adapt that analogy for however you switch or feel how you switch, but just think of the body sense as a separate but equivalent thing to being in front, it's something you can switch in and out of

Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

We started out here, so I don't see why our experience is so different unless it's something we can't control inherently.

Yeah, I meant to imply that when your initial experiences aren't shaped by a community, they just go whatever-the-heck way comes to mind naturally

8:24 AM

But yeah, it's as simple for us as "We're literally not there for it"

8:25 AM

I'm a bit envious if you guys really are always around that much

8:25 AM

Less so if you all share the body's senses, though

We usually all do to differing extents

8:25 AM

Anger extends to all the fronters, but things like sadness and happiness depend

8:26 AM

I know Owen is always super down in the dumps, even if people confronting confronting him are happy as can be

we have that too but i think its usually more like the other not being so happy because the other one is sad just like a real person would be and less so the emotions mixing, but both do happen

8:28 AM

real person as in separate meat person lol

Wdm?

Same thing for us, but never any emotion mixing (bleeding)

8:32 AM

When I had my wisdom teeth out not nearly numbed enough (which is the worst pain I've ever been in lol), Flandre was keeping me company in-mind, but while I was pretty neutral mood intense pain aside, she was just really upset that I was experiencing that

8:33 AM

Nothing to do with the emotions I was(n't) feeling, just her own reaction to external events

When Owen fronts enough, we all start to feel depressed. If he goes away, it's usually lessened.

8:34 AM

We think we have some mental health problems that some of us exhibit more strongly than others.

Can someone help me? I accidentally made some tulpas a while ago when I thought I had osdd then made them all go away or fuse but I still have some voices in my head like a caretaker and another one, how do I make them go away? Because it makes me feel bad bc I have a traumagenic system friend. (edited)

So you were dramatically asking for tulpamancy advice

10:09 AM

Dissipating a tulpa is as simple (but strict) as never thinking about or engaging with them again, which causes them to lose presence in your brain over time.

10:09 AM

Though, anti-endo thinking is literal plural racism, and baseless at that.

10:11 AM

Plurality is just something the human mind is capable of. It happens to authors, roleplayers, people with long-term imaginary friends, people who obsess over the idea of a person in their head, and yes, through intentional creation with guidance. (edited)

10:11 AM

The phenomenon is not exclusively a coping mechanism for trauma, that's only one of many scenarios where the brain might do this.

Reisen

Dissipating a tulpa is as simple (but strict) as never thinking about or engaging with them again, which causes them to lose presence in your brain over time.

How do I do that when I feel like I have multiple personalities like I just naturally feel like more than one person

It's almost like plurality is a natural phenomenon..

Reisen

Though, anti-endo thinking is literal plural racism, and baseless at that.

I’m sorry

Well, you're not the one who decided it was bad

10:14 AM

Your friend wasn't really either

10:14 AM

It's just an insecure community trying to gain validation by putting down others.

Jay

How do I do that when I feel like I have multiple personalities like I just naturally feel like more than one person

You have to think of yourself as a singular identity, and not indulge/engage in believing any thoughts are coming from anyone but just your single sense of self.

10:15 AM

Intention and belief shape mental experiences like this a lot, so if you treat thoughts like they're coming from other people, that just encourages the brain to make it feel/work like that.

10:16 AM

There's no magic trick to make thought patterns in your brain disappear while you're still continuing to promote and strengthen them, you have to shape your thought patterns purposefully on your own.

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The voice is like talking to me tho like it’s intrusive so idk how to make it stop bc it’s intrusive it doesn’t feel like it’s me

Thinking like that is what strengthens the feeling/immersion, yes.

10:19 AM

If you can't take my advice, then again, that's therapy territory.

10:20 AM

Find a good therapist (the first or even second are not always necessarily a good match for you), and either work on integration if you're actually plural, or probably be prescribed an antipsychotic if it's more intrusive thoughts or hallucinations

So is it a tulpa or not? (edited)

I don't know your exact experience, it sounds like probably a tulpa if you made them on purpose, but if it happens even when you don't want it to and you can't stop it..

10:23 AM

Well, you said you made tulpas, so I'm pretty sure you just learned to treat some thoughts as not your own and your brain followed suit and made it feel more real - which is what the practice of tulpamancy is.

10:24 AM

Though it should still be somewhat controllable, so you either have poor mental discipline/self control, or disorderly thinking, either of which is still therapist territory if you can't get a handle on it yourself.

I don’t want to talk about it in therapy I just want it to go away

There's no magic trick to make thought patterns in your brain disappear while you're still continuing to promote and strengthen them, you have to shape your thought patterns purposefully on your own.

10:27 AM

And therapy is the answer once you've decided you can't do something on your own.

This isn’t helping, idk how to do that

Well sorry, I can't say anything better than I already did.

10:29 AM

You have to think of yourself as a singular identity, and not indulge/engage in believing any thoughts are coming from anyone but just your single sense of self. Intention and belief shape mental experiences like this a lot, so if you treat thoughts like they're coming from other people, that just encourages the brain to make it feel/work like that.

10:30 AM

Tulpamancy starts off as feeling like talking to yourself, so reversing tulpamancy would start off by feeling like you're being talked to by someone else. In either case, you have to consistently hold the intention/belief that what you want to be the case, is the case, even if it seems like it's not.

10:31 AM

So, believing that you are alone in your head, and that all thoughts are actually just you regardless of how they feel/sound.

10:32 AM

If you do that, they should start to feel more like your own thoughts and not like another person over time. (The exact reverse of the tulpamancy process)

Okay

are you also dostracted by the voices when you are busy with something else, like ha ging out with other people @Jay ?

Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

This is kind of a strange question, but is it possible to completely block out awareness of front (at will), and how would that be trained?

We don't black out switch and we avhieve this effect. We call our experience "sensory switching" because we're switching who is connected to the front but also who's connected to the body's senses. We assume that the switched-in headmate owns the experience of the stream of consciousness (SOC) and the switched-out headmate can only experience sensory stuff if they choose to focus on it. For example, right now I'm switched-in and I'm feeling everything. Gray can't feel anything unless he "opts in" by associating, focusing on the sensation. Gray has to think about our finger getting tired to feel it himself. That's the mindset we work with switching wise. If it helps, our ritual involves association as well. We call our switching ritual CAA- consent, affirm, associate. The exact order doesn't matter, and during the consent phase we talk to each other in wonderland, causing dissociation on some level. We do the typical switching symbolism by Gray walking into the distance to switch out, the "mind cam" is now labeled as my perspective, and then I do the affirmation step. That's when I do the "fill the body" symbolism. I can give more details, but that's the jist of it

Good night everyone, I'm trying to make a tulip, I barely came up with an image for it and I forget everything, or the voice (as it were) is mine, is there a way to solve this problem. What will be the signs that the tulip has arrived and when it might arrive?

They will start to feel and sound more separate from you over time

11:57 PM

As you keep holding the intention for them to be a separate person from you

11:57 PM

Assuming you're translating, so hopefully those two sentences make sense

Reisen

Assuming you're translating, so hopefully those two sentences make sense

I understood like this: I need to come up with the image and character of the tulpa can the tulpa yell at me or make new tulpas without me? Sorry for the mistakes, I'm writing through Google Translate

The tulpa will not be mean to you if you are respectful to them. They also cannot make new tulpas without you knowing.

Kei Wendt

The tulpa will not be mean to you if you are respectful to them. They also cannot make new tulpas without you knowing.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I'm new to this I came up with the image and character of a tulip, should I talk to her? if so, how in thoughts or in voice

You should talk to her, yes Most people talk in their head, but some people talk out loud. It's up to you

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Kei Wendt

You should talk to her, yes Most people talk in their head, but some people talk out loud. It's up to you

And can I understand when she speaks by herself and can the tulip invent its own voice? can i literally see her in the corner of the room and how do i do it?

She can decide on a voice for herself, but she might sound the same as your own thoughts at first. As for seeing her in the real world, that's called "imposition". You can check out the guides pinned in this channel.

Kei Wendt

She can decide on a voice for herself, but she might sound the same as your own thoughts at first. As for seeing her in the real world, that's called "imposition". You can check out the guides pinned in this channel.

Can you explain how to even touch a tulip, how to smell it. How to enter the world (I don't remember what it's called). How to send a tulip to rest in this world. Thank you very much for your help, I have been very interested in this since yesterday.

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I've never actually succeeded at that, but you could try imagining it until it starts happening on its own

Kei Wendt

I've never actually succeeded at that, but you could try imagining it until it starts happening on its own

can you tell me how to make a tulpa (did I say everything correctly)

Yes

12:53 AM

Basically, to make a tulpa, imagine them in your mind and talk to them. Eventually, you will get a response

I'm glad that I understood everything correctly, is it necessary to imagine her and continue like this until she appears?

You can take breaks; it doesn't need to be all in one sitting Just try to dedicate a bit of time each day to continue

Kei Wendt

You can take breaks; it doesn't need to be all in one sitting Just try to dedicate a bit of time each day to continue

I thank you for these answers and for your time

Good night everyone, I'm trying to make a tulip, I barely came up with an image for it and I forget everything, or the voice (as it were) is mine, is there a way to solve this problem. What will be the signs that the tulip has arrived and when it might arrive?

@popka587_bobik - jump so, first you need to get a seed, a pot, some soil… find a good place in your house with narural light

Pretty sure it's their translation service writing tulip, lol

i know, just couldn’t resist lol

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

Good night everyone, I'm trying to make a tulip, I barely came up with an image for it and I forget everything, or the voice (as it were) is mine, is there a way to solve this problem. What will be the signs that the tulip has arrived and when it might arrive?

@popka587_bobik - jump so, first you need to get a seed, a pot, some soil… find a good place in your house with narural light

I looked at the lessons that you need to come up with an image, a character, but I didn't hear about seeds anywhere

It was a joke.

Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

It was a joke.

I thought it was a joke, but I don't know much about tulpas, so I can believe everything :)

lol

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Cri The Cryptid

lol

I don't know how to react to that, I don't even know what it means lol

I looked at the lessons that you need to come up with an image, a character, but I didn't hear about seeds anywhere

@popka587_bobik - jump your translator turned “t u l p a” into “t u l i p” (tulip) which is a kind of a flower

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

I looked at the lessons that you need to come up with an image, a character, but I didn't hear about seeds anywhere

@popka587_bobik - jump your translator turned “t u l p a” into “t u l i p” (tulip) which is a kind of a flower

I understand that this is what the translator translates as tulip, but I can't do anything about it, sorry if it's somehow confusing

its not confusing we get what it means, its just funny

yeah i find it funny too, i actually like when it’s called “tulip” lol

Jay

Can someone help me? I accidentally made some tulpas a while ago when I thought I had osdd then made them all go away or fuse but I still have some voices in my head like a caretaker and another one, how do I make them go away? Because it makes me feel bad bc I have a traumagenic system friend. (edited)

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/449739860090290177/1123231587711066192 Are you sure you want a tulpa? It seems like you have issues with voices, that might make your pre-existing condition worse

Uhh idk i think so I changed my mind lol

"Because it makes me feel bad bc I have a traumagenic system friend"

It’s just a thought I can’t rlly get rid of and I keep accidentally doing it anyway so I may as well just do it properly

12:56 PM

What about it

if i were you i would talk to those voices instead if they arent harmful to you apart from the whole feeling stigmatized by your friend

12:57 PM

if they are otherwise harmful then i dont really have anything to say because im not a professional

They are both

hmm

12:58 PM

also, are they auditory voices or thoughts

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

if i were you i would talk to those voices instead if they arent harmful to you apart from the whole feeling stigmatized by your friend

Yeh I don’t rlly know what to do about this I just won’t tell him even tho I still feel kinda bad I can’t rlly do a lot about it and for me I come first

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

also, are they auditory voices or thoughts

Like intrusive thoughts or just thoughts I think

Jay

The voice is like talking to me tho like it’s intrusive so idk how to make it stop bc it’s intrusive it doesn’t feel like it’s me

I don't think it's a good idea to do force upon yourself something you don't want to do. There are solutions to these kinds of problems. It also sounds like there is a medical issue at play from what you shared earlier. If you have intrusive thoughts you can't stop that are constantly bothering you, there's not much we can do to help and practicing tulpamancy may agitate the problem